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::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
 
::Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
 
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
 
::Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
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:i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
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:its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
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:about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can  tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
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:well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).
  
 
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.
 
And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out.

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Feedback for the Seventh Ladle

Legit
For starters, that was the worst ladle ive ever played. We organized a team and then when we played all positions etc... were all fucked up and hyphy i asked him to lay off def cus hes always too close and he still does it and fucked def once again. And as for redice little oops noob tking our whole team, at least 5 players in one round! And was unfair for that and also because the admin wasnt very good at locking a server cause some noob joined our team and fucked our whole team up as well. all this i will probably not play for TM anymore. And as for the finals was pretty good match to watch but tui was definantly the better team as watching how SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone. It was also funny when SP members would tell tui people to stfu and talk shit to them when they won but was also funny when pysko got all mad when someone got in his def and said it was a bullshit win for tui, next ladle should be handled better then this one.
2020
I forgot I was meant to be harsher with team entry. Most of us gathered and got the team organised. Then we started our game again TuI, and hyph refused to stay in midfield and got involved with def. I tried to tighten us up as a team, and for the first time issued a threat... which didn't go well with some members of the team who weren't aware of the havoc at the back. We lost the first match. And in the second, new players entered the server, a player using a familiar team name team-killed, and wrtl was constantly asked to admin the game -- and he was our defender! I didn't get into any kind of groove, played like a noob. What a mess.
No idea what to do. I try to make it as clear as possible on the challenge board, and people seem confused about when it starts etc. I canjust about handle that, but not try to organise a team as well. I just want to play in a good game!!!!!!!!
Durka
The organization was a bit spectacle this time because of the games being delayed by 45 minutes. Otherwise everything went smoothly.
About the finals, I didn't really care that it was 6 on 8 and they had a 2 man advantage, but what really pissed me off, was that it was 1-1 and in the 3rd match while the score was 76-70 their lead, the winzone popped up. We even had a one man advantage I belive at that point. They took the winzone and that boosted the score to 86-70. We could have easily won that match. Then, to top it off, they holed me (I was def) and went in and got the zone (using their 2 man advantage made it quite impossible to stop them while in the zone). Them winning that match completely turns around the entire finals. Instead of being 2-1 us, its 2-1 them. Then, in the 4th match, it was definately getting close, and it was 96-88 in the final round, and for the 10th time in the finals, I got holed by ~*SP*~ and they took the match.
My point I'm trying to make is that:
  • There should be no winzone what so ever
  • I know we've talked about this before, but as long as a team gets at least 5 or 6 players there, the other team should at least cut 1 person. I'm fine with a one-man advantage & I'm also fine with a two-man advantage, or even 3, but if they use those extra men to hole the defense 10 times throughout 4 matches, then that (in my mind) is a bit unfair.
Rico
I dont mind doing it in a reg game, but in a serious tourney, when I'm trying to def against 4 attackers, I dont take kindly to the rest of the opposing team spamming me with messages to put me off. I'd have ignored them, but when theres so much spam it takes up half your screen and you have to play with only 10 fps anyway, it kinda pissed me off.
Not that I was playing well anyway as it happens, but when I'm subject to "omg, our def sucks, alex you made us lose" etc etc criticism from my OWN TEAM because I was being distracted multiple ways... I do happen to get annoyed.
Whatever, I'll still be taking part in some events in the future. Just remind me to silence the WHOLE of the opposition.
AshitakA
I just want to admit that it wasn’t redice, who played at the end. He abused his name like 2020 already said. What a bummer! He hadn’t the courage to make it with his own name. Anyway, for the next ladle I want to mention the idea to let teams also play for the 3rd and 4th or 5th and 6th place. It wouldn’t take much more time, because they play at the same time as the final would be. At the moment there are enough fort server online to realise this idea. Maybe you can include it into the ladle system.
k3nNy
Sp had a good setup, a good team with good team organisation. i think it is sad that no one here can gratulate sp for winning the ladle but instead some of you are searching for excuses why sp shouldnt have won the ladle. first: legit. hey dude, you say sp wasnt good as tui? i think thats kinda odd when you watch the field domination sp had during the finals. sp played with 2-3 defensive players and they didnt have much to do. sp was playing with 5 offensive players. so if you count those 5 offensive players + the defensive tui players you get quite much players dont u? so isnt it then a logical outcome that there is a quite high percentage for the defence of being holed by a dying player? so legit, tell me 1 person who wouldnt use a hole in the finals of the ladle. "SP had to win by holing and getting the winzone" --> this sounds for me that u accuse sp for holling on purpuse, which wasnt at all.
well then about the winzone... first of all: as always i think it should be disabled too.
then to the situation: durka, it was a 2 on 2 situation, 1 sp attacking against 2 doubledefending tuis (which made it impossible for the attacker to do sth), 1 sp staying in the back in case the attacker dies. how long did that situation last? how long could it have been lasting. well i was the one in the back, probably grinding myself for the 30st time in a row, waiting for sth to happen. first i thought aw dam winzone wth are you doin here. then i thought what the heck. so i think the first time i took a winzone because i was gettin that bored back in there! i just wanted that round to be over, i didnt care if tui would have taken it.
oh and back to legit again: sp members well telling tui members to shut up because they were whining non stop. its a ladle final, so please be a man, play it and loose it or win it. congratulations sps!
btw. exept i think the winzone should be disabled by default, i think this ladle was fine as usual.
Legit
LoL kenny, fine speech but TUI is definantly were better players. Just by knowing some of the members in tui and i dont even know most of them and i knew all SP that were playing TUI has definantly better team. Who did you have? Pysko and Sasha and uhh who else...? LoL anyways, if you were so bored of the ladle match and wanted to get the winzone then why the fuck are you playing in the ladle if its boring?!?! You had a player HellBlade who didnt even get to play and wanted to and you sat there being bored playin it when someone else in your clan could had actually enjoyed it? Your excuses are lame and you know you were afraid sp was going to loose cause TUI was a better team that why you really got the winzone.
fr34ky
LoL Legit, nice offenses but SP just won with all allowed methods, using no cheats. Holes were allowed, so we used them...a Winzone was there too, k3nNy used it and i agree with him! At first...it's really boring back there, and you know why it was boring? - No, not because Ladle is so boring, it was because no TuI attacked us...and why didnt they attack us? Hmmm, i think you know the answer. Oh and k3nNy had no chance to see any TuI not using the winzone...so he couldnt know TuI didnt want to use it. Congratulations Speeders, nice Ladle for us and certainly many other Players (except you Legit :->)
greets, fr34ky
k3nNy
you must have been in another match legit, because i didnt have one single time the feeling tui was going to win. they had a good comeback to 1-1 but that was it. sp was the best team yesterday, because they acted like a team. good teamplay etc. made us strong. we didnt care about "players" like you do. everyone had their job, and everyone did it great. the reason why hellblade couldnt play is because he is an offensive player too, and we were already playing with 5 offensive players with psyko and me in defence (and obli), though we are normally both offensive players too. still i wont force anyone in a good playing team to sit out.
and to you legit, please stop your whining and complaining all the time. that prejudiced whining of you is goin on my nerves. if you loose you loose, then stand to it. maybe you will win next time again, who knows. but stop that prejeduce stuff like: oh sp used holes, they certainly did that on purpurse. oh k3nny said he got bored that round, in that case he certainly thought the whole ladle was boring ?!? if you dont get it dude, go and watch the replay of that round, maybe in 10 years you will understand it when ur mature enough.
Rico
Funny that no-one has replied to my comment about the purposeful distractions. Of course it doesn't matter, as all of you would deny it anyway.
Anyway, grats, even though winzoning is the lamest way to win ever, just an unparallelled level of chicken-ness. And ok, holing is fine, but when its like 5 on 1 and someone holes on purpose, thats annoying. As a defender, I have to deal with it all the time.
Thats my piece, any comments about the purposeful distractions would be much appreciated. Thanks
PsYkO
How about a "congratz"?
madmax
First of all, congratz. I pretty much know nothing more about what happened so...
The main thing I see is that always playing a knockout competition is not a good thing. It gets too... usual. I think some kind of championship competition and making the ladles more spaced (two/threee months maybe more?) would be a nice idea.
I think in a knockout system it sure proves who was the best team then, but hey, what if a team who lost one game would win against all other teams? What if they were having a bad day? Having a championship (point based) would be IMHO a good idea. Perhaps that whole thought of "Kings Of the Grid"... After all, theres already a domain :)
Also, it would benefit teams that consistently make good games, not only "that day" with "that conditions" with "..."
Speed

Legit will you ever stop complaining and whining o they holed o they did this o is that a 2 yr old i hear talking legit because it sures sounds like one... Legit also who are you to say people suck whenever i see you in a game its lag killed me omg i just slipped or someother bs excuse i have never seen you once do a spectacular move to win a match, now you slag of redice out of oops is that because they rejected you when you tryed joining them hmmm i wonder. Save your complaints for people who care and btw when your good then i think you may have a leg to stand on atm you got a damn toothbrush.

Rico
Read my post before psyko, i did say grats ;)
Omega

ROFL TUI The first round we won where it was a 4 on 2. 1 attacker died and made a hole and the other attackers didnt go through. But instead waited till they had dumped the sweeper into his won def, and then went through that hole, you where even then calling us holers etc. You guys where making excuses every round.......

Durka 76-70 so what, whose to say you would have won. Statistically accounting for the match ending 3-1, you would have lost. I remember the 2 ladles ago the 5th which TM won i remember final match we were down 70-92 and we still won, so saying we would have easily won etc is nonsense as anything can happen. This reminds me of WPN etc, you guys are both like immature little children who cant take losing at all.

Durka
Are you kidding me? The winzone is a 20 point spin. 10 points for you guys which made it 86-70. It could have been 80-76. Then again, I would have liked to see you guys beat us that round considering the fact that thru 6 matches in the Ladle, I only got pwnd twice, & the 2 people that got by me from SP had already died. I'm not being cocky, but I always like a challenge and that would have been fun.
Forgetting all of this, I know it was our fault, but look what kenny said above. They had 5 people attacking. Well, we only had 6 players total (again, this was our fault). So, you expect us to play agressive being 2 men down each round. That's similar to having like a 4 on 2 and having the team with 2 be on the attack. It makes no sense. When we played you guys in the last ladle and beat you guys, all you said was, well we didn't have Psyko or Whatup. Yes, Psyko & Whatup helped you a lot this ladle, but if we had brought 2 more players, then it would have gotten interesting and we would have been more on the attack. We look forward to rematching you guys, but with a full team this time. O, and how about the thought of playing in a US server? I'd like to see Viper, Cyclo, Kenny, Sasha, & Omega with pings like what I usually get :)
k3nNy
i think that round of the winzone stuff wasnt that match deciding. it was more important who was goin to win the round after that one. you could have equalized to about 90-86 or if it would have been the otherway round we could have gone from 80-76 to about 92-86. still, i hope we wont have that situation in future again. in case the zone doesnt get turned off, teams could tell before the matches each other they wont use it, then it should be np too.
its true our field domination was partially that high because of the higher number of players. still the rules of the ladle arent very strict, so it should be no problem for a team to get it full actually. thats why i am against cutting players in the ladle if the other team hasnt enough. make sure you have 9-10 and it should be no problem.
about that whatup and psyko & last ladle stuff. we didnt loose the last ladle because they werent here. we lost it because the organisation was bad & the setup was totally wrong. this ladle we played the semis against x. and they were strong i can tell u. they filled their team with players like pavelo. psyko didnt even play yet & whatup took cyclos place because he didnt show up either. in case whatup also wouldnt have been there we still had a great center attacker in hellblade. so, we won it 2-0 then. then to the finals: psyko got a spot in the team & got defender. but as we had 5 attackers and your team was (forced) playing defensive, we didnt have had much to do back there. so psyko wasnt very much involved. so i can tell u: we didnt win because whatup was playing & later psyko too, but because the teamplay etc. was great. thats far more important. i dont c team somethingsomething win because of 1 or 2 players either. they won because they were a great team. and i also dont c pings deciding the matches. btw those 2 players who made the difference in your opinion were "highpingers" from us too. :)
well i look forward to the next ladle & playing against tui again. i hope in a balanced 8 vs 8 and on either zmans or wrtl, just simply because those 2 servers are the ones who dont go nuts when there are 20+ players on it :) (16 playing + spec & exchange players).

And @alex who was spamming you, tell me and ill sort em out. EDIT

Legit
Oh kenny dont give me that bs that i didnt see what was goin on, i was in spectator mode the whole time watching around. Im not even in the tui match so what are you sayin i loose sum i loose sum? Kno whats going on first before you open that little minded mouth of yours. And as for speed, you obviously dont play fortress much as looking at how you play or know how i play. And as to what durka says is 100% tru and woudl be even be a harder match vs them if it were in a US server. Congrats to TUI on doin what ya did. Theres the congrats from me.

~ z3$h~ GZ Speederz says: who spammed you

- - [ т c s ] - - Heavily medicated for your safety says: like everyone

- - [ т c s ] - - Heavily medicated for your safety says: i cant remember exactly, not all were pm messages

- - [ т c s ] - - Heavily medicated for your safety says: but there was like ur teamspeak, which wasnt in /team going down my page

z3$h~ GZ Speederz says:

so

z3$h~ GZ Speederz says:

we were talking

- - [ т c s ] - - Heavily medicated for your safety says: yea but u could have done it in /team like we did

- - [ т c s ] - - Heavily medicated for your safety says: in particular when theres still ppl playing

- - [ т c s ] - - Heavily medicated for your safety says: anyway its no big deal, just if we play you again and i get it ill just silence ua ll

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Sixth Ladle:

Quarter Finals Semi Finals Final Winner
7:30 PM GMT 8:15 PM GMT 9:00 PM GMT
TuI 2 TuI 2 TuI 1 Team somethingsomething
°°ps 0
team 3 n/a SP 0
SP bye
Tronic Monkeys bye Tronic Monkeys 0 Team somethingsomething 3
team 6 n/a
Team somethingsomething bye Team somethingsomething 2
team 8 n/a


Fifth Ladle:

Quarter Finals Semi Finals Final Winner
7:30 PM GMT 8:15 PM GMT 9:00 PM GMT
team 1 N/A WS bye WS 2 team TM
team 2 N/A
team 3 N/A PKC n/s
team 4 N/A
team 5 N/A TM 2 TM 3
team 6 N/A
team 7 N/A TuI 1
team 8 N/A

Fourth Ladle:

Quarter Finals Semi Finals Final Winner
7:30 PM GMT 8:15 PM GMT 9:00 PM GMT
WPN 2 wpn 0 ho 0 proNoobz
tm 0
none N/A ho 2
ho bye
st 2 st 0 pN 2
ws 0
pN bye pN 2
TiP n/s

Third Ladle:


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